Comments on: How many Beta Readers do you need? https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/ Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:58:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Sarah https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-48472 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:58:01 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-48472 Overall, though this is a great article on beta readers. Betas don't get enough attention in writing blogs!]]> Hmm.

I kind of disagree on a couple things in this. First, if a write is very new or not a strong writer, I think a fellow writer could be most valuable. Poorly flowing sentences, for example, is something experienced writers almost always catch and can say “Hey, this isn’t clear. You can take this sentence to another level and it will do more for you.” On the other hand, those who are editing only to see if something is grammatically correct and readers who are simply looking at the big picture might either not catch it or they might not recognize that it could be better.

Also, on the whole “critique as you want to be critiqued”- I want people to be ruthless. I want to know every single place where they think the story could be improved. That doesn’t mean that we will agree or that I will necessarily change it, but I don’t want someone to give a compliment simply to make me feel better about the writing. If the entire thing is terrible, I want people to tell me! If they love something and would hate for me to change it, I want people to tell me! If the whole thing is fantastic… well, then we would know they were lying! ☺

Overall, though this is a great article on beta readers. Betas don’t get enough attention in writing blogs!

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By: Suzanna J. Linton https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-47083 Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:35:58 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-47083 Great article! I show my work to my writing group, which consists of about five or six readers. And then, after editing, I send it off to two beta readers. So the five or six are alpha readers? I’m not sure but this is the system I used for my latest novel and I think it’s worked out really well. My rule of thumb is that if more than one person mentions a problem they have with my work, then it’s a problem for me to fix!

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By: Martha Conway https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-46220 Tue, 12 May 2015 01:14:04 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-46220 In reply to Paula Kelly-Ince.

So glad this helped! Good luck on your next steps.

-Martha

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By: Paula Kelly-Ince https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-46194 Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:33:24 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-46194 Dear Martha, thank you so much for this article. I am currently working on my first book and did not understand the concept of beta readers. This has made it much clearer and has made me reconsider my next step.

Regards,

Paula.

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By: Chelsea Henderson https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-37425 Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:02:03 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-37425 I happened upon this piece today, minutes after reading comments from one of my beta readers! I have struggled with putting together the right “team” of readers and try to pick people who I know will give me different perspectives. For example, one of my betas is a huge reader and strong on copy edits, so I know she will not only comment on story structure, believability, etc. but those silly typos that evade my capture after too much time with my manuscript. One wants to talk through the book instead of providing written comments. Etc. Etc.

One place where I disagree with you, at least based on my own personal experience, is picking readers within your genre. I am part of a virtual writer workshop and there I met a writer who is all about the supernatural thriller infused with gory/erotic details. We were paired in the same group, so she was getting chapters of my novel, and when the workshop concluded, offered to beta for me when I was done with the novel even though in her own words, she never reads or writes in my genre (literary women’s fiction). I took her up on her offer, and she gave me the most thoughtful and useful feedback to date. She actually said reading my novel helped her realize she could expand beyond her own comfort zone. I love that she got something out of the beta process as much as I did. Sometimes that outside perspective helps because these aren’t filling in the blanks the way someone comfortable in the genre might.

It’s a valuable process but you have to trust your gut and be strong enough to disagree with comments as well. Taking the time to digest feedback is critical. No knee-jerk editing! That’s hard for me! I want to get right to it!

Thanks for this piece. Picking beta readers is an inexact science, but it can be a crucial part of the writing process.

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By: Aya Walksfar https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-37368 Fri, 26 Dec 2014 08:54:20 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-37368 Martha,
Good article about beta readers. I have five novels out and all of them had beta readers.I have a file called RC Candidate Questions (Release Copy Candidate–my wife’s a computer engineer). It lists what I would specifically like feedback on, but since my beta readers are professional women who are well-educated and meticulous about beta reading my work, I always add “all feedback appreciated.”
I feel fortunate to have a circle of five beta readers who are willing to read whatever I write. Of course, they meet my “target readers” description: women, independent, employed or retired, age range…. and so forth.
Since there is no way I could possibly afford to hire their services, each reader receives a signed print copy of the books they read. It’s a small token of my appreciation and they seem quite thrilled to receive the books. It is a little pricey since three of them live a distance away and I have to mail the books. The one who lives in England is the most pricey. (There’s no media category for out of country).
The other thing I do I to name them on the Acknowledgement page.

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By: Martha Conway https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-36683 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:42:47 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-36683 In reply to Marie Saint-Louis.

Glad the timing was good for you, Marie! Thanks for your comment.

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By: Marie Saint-Louis https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-36669 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:12:34 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-36669 Hello Martha,

Your article has perfect timing for me. In January, my manuscript will be fully edited and I am searching for beta readers. After reading your article, I feel more informed about the whole process.

This week, I need to take the time to write down specific questions for their feedback. The questions you listed in your article are the ones I’m going to use along with a few more.

Thank you again.

Marie

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By: Martha Conway https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-36512 Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:03:39 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-36512 In reply to Amar.

Yes, I can see that it would take up a lot of time. Glad the feedback was consistent. A sign that you are on the right track. Hope the book does well … and your next one, too!

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By: Amar https://booksbywomen.org/how-many-beta-readers-do-you-need-by-martha-conway/#comment-36371 Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:06:51 +0000 http://booksbywomenorg.netfirms.com/?p=12586#comment-36371 In reply to Martha Conway.

Martha,

Thanks, but I think the reviewers agreed largely because I was writing for the first time, and they offered their support and encouragement. I don’t see that as a sustainable option for evey book. First of all, it takes up too much time in correspondence. I also sent a complimentary copy of my book to each reviewer, which probably resulted in lost sales.

I might still follow a step by step approach (reviewers for first two or three chapters –> completed manuscript –> production ready version) with about 7 or 8 reviewers each time.

The reviewers’ feedback was quite consistent- many of them found my novel too verbose (I had to trim it from 100,000 words to 78,000), but fortunately they all liked the plot and the storyline.

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